Hey there it’s Janet E. Johnson with Business Growth Time. Thank you guys so much for joining us, hope, if you’re coming back, glad to have you back. If you’re new, well hang out and you’re in for a treat here. Here with my show partner Terry Bean, welcome Terry. How’s it going in your car today?
Well Janet, you know
Are you here Terry?
The wifi
Oh
I think I’m here. I’m here whether you’re there or not. I’m definitely here. But the rest of you may not know I’m here. But yeah, the car thing is good. Kind of steal a couple of wifi from the restaurant that’s in front of me. So as long as their service maintains we’ll be okay. Sorry the timing to be anywhere but the vehicle. But that’s all, that’s how it goes. I’ve got, we’ve got a great guest on. I’m really excited. We’ve got Stephen Sadler. Steve’s an inventor, he’s got 8 different patents. He’s a former engineer turned entrepreneur. He started 4 different businesses, he’s a software developer, and if that wasn’t enough he’s a former body builder, we’ll talk about the yellow banana hammock, you can be sure of that Steve.
No we’re not.
You could be sure that we’re going to talk about that even more. And he’s written two books and the second book’s the first of a trilogy. So we’re going to cover that. Today’s topic, we’re going to talk about the difference between being a creative and being a creator. So welcome my friends, Stephen Sadler.
Thank you, it’s great to be here guys.
Welcome, welcome, yes, very looking forward to meeting you. Hey let’s do a little fun piece. I’m going to have this before. We’re going to skip this so we’re starting off to a fun start today. Really fast, you have to play our game.
Who does? Me?
The guy that doesn’t know what the game is, yeah that would be you.
I like games I understand.
You might get this of. So Terry, Terry explained to you that we’re both from, we went to high school together.
Really!
Well it happened to be in Minnesota here.
So Terry went to high school, that’s amazing.
Graduated and everything, indeed.
So we like to play this game that is the 80s. And if you guess the proper song, the name, and he made it pretty easy this time. He usually makes it really difficult. Terry is, he knows all these stuff. So you name the song, whoever sings it and what movie it’s in. And you’ll get three points if you get them all. We don’t give prices because we just get, I don’t know, big high five from us, so.
The points are absolutely not redeemable for anything.
Alright here we go. I say that, it doesn’t play.
Really guys it’s Back to the Future.
Yeah and the song name?
“Power of love is”
Power of Love, thank you.
What did you say?
I knew it, that will make it easy.
Oh good job, good job. Alright so we want to have a little fun, make us laugh. Okay, well let’s get to the actual subject matter here. Go ahead and Terry you have said our, what we’re going to talk about today? What is that?
So we’re going to talk about, you know, creatives are running around making some things but they’re really making things better for people they’re actually building things or creating. And Steve, you’re a little bit of both, right? You definitely got a creative side. Yeah I know they call you pixel eyes in the office coz you’re pretty good with graphics and development but you actually conceive things. So I don’t know if I want to start with you current iteration here, current software that you’re working on or if you want to start with the first book, The Exposure to Closure? Why don’t you pick which do you want to tell us about right now?
Well let’s start with the pixel eye thing. I was pixel eyed two weeks ago until I actually now I have this glasses and I no longer pixel-eyed.
So you’re pixel eyes, all four of them.
Yeah I’ve got four of them to be able to be more creative, more observant. But no, let’s start with the first book because initially I wrote that, you know, kind as an autobiography type thing. But it also kind of walk people through the path that actually how you successfully create a business in probably one of the most trying of times that we’ve ever experienced in our lives. And obviously there’s been a lot of other ones during the years during the World War I, World War II, and the depression. But 2008 was a brutal year and we all know it. And even prior to that when 9/11, there’s a lot of different types of businesses that went under during that short period after it. And I think a lot of people had to re-invent themselves. And if you’re an engineer and you’re a right-handed engineer, and you’re very analytical, you’re going to think of certain matter. Creatives, it’s a lot of fun. Lot will say their life went under, right? They have a different side, they have a different approach to it. Even in our office, I kind of have the creatives, the technical team separated by geography but working together as a team because they do think differently. And a lot of people that know me, they understand that I’m actually a left-handed engineer. So that’s very difficult. I’m constantly in a battle in my head. It’s like okay the left brain, it’s the right brain, goes separate ways. And it’s very, it’s difficult to be like that because to get something done and get it across the line, you have to be very process-wise. Creatives are not like that. It’s like oh we can do this, you know. We can add this to it, do that, yeah. There’s cost involved, there’s process involved and all the other good things that go into that have actually produced a good product that has a form of quality to it. And bridging that gap is extremely, it’s extremely difficult to do. So I initially, as I said, I wrote that book kind as an autobiography but being able to take people through that path during, you know, inside my head as we develop a bunch of pretty interesting technologies that there are also some businesses that over the next couple of years, you know, I’m really looking to try and exit and just become a full time writer. So that’s the first part.
You know, sorry to interrupt you. Terry are you hearing a bad feedback?
I’ve got the feedback and I’m wondering if it’s me on my end or if it’s somewhere else.
No, I think it’s Steve’s end actually which is weird. Let’s see if that makes a difference.
How is it now?
No, it’s still there.
I actually got out of my car to try and get close to the wifi in case it was me but
No, I think it’s actually Steve which is weird because before we started you were fine.
I put the headphones on now, so it shouldn’t be feed-backing through the speakers.
Yeah, it’s a weird…
How close is your phone to your speakers? Because I have that issue if my telephone’s next to my speakers. It makes up a crap load of verp.
How’s this?
No. Huh! No, it’s weird. It is a very weird, it’s almost a static-y noise in the back.
You know actually what it sounded like to me is remember the scene in Return of the Jedi when Princess Leia comes up and talks to Han Solo when it’s still in the frozen, she’s in that little bounty hunter outfit, sounded a lot like that.
Do only thing, now go and talk Steve, let’s see if it’s
How about now, how about now?
He sounds like, sorry. It’s almost like a, you’re right, the Star Wars. You’re talking like a Star Wars character.
You sound like Princess Leia in the gold bikini because if we can make, that be really cool. I said so
That’s great. Shoot,
How’s it now?
Wow, there you go!
What did you do?
Not my sound. Technology is wonderful!
Sounds good but
How’s that?
Good.
I switched to my screen. So I got now the microphone on the screen and actually looking down from the other from the other camera.
It’s ten times better, ten times better. Perfect. Okay. So we did it live, we’ll have our person edit, you know we edit the podcast so it just the way it goes. Okay so back to what you were saying, so this was your first phase and your first book and it was all about the backend was all the troubles and tribulation that it happened up in the back, you’re talking all around the 2008 times.
Yeah. I was director of engineering for large automotive company for a lot of years and I just got tired of the automotive industry. And so I quit in 2001 and I started my own business called Scate Technologies which built the first eLearning tools at the time. We’re actually recording the screen and knowledge capture. It’s still being used by a lot of large corporations. Well during that period 9/11 comes along. We all know about that. That’s right at the beginning of 2001. I think it was probably six months after I started my business. So I’ve got big eyes, I’m like, you know I’m in first time, I shouldn’t say first time, but second time really in the technology world of entrepreneurship and all of a sudden boom! All the people that we are training in these classrooms were gone. They cut all those budget. So it was like that the need to be able to take that content and place it on the internet is what got us into building tools to be able to make e-learning really before the term e-learning was even around.
Yeah.
We didn’t even call it e-learning. We call it ignitables which we still call them today. So they’re kind of like a stitch together of videos and PowerPoints and sound and all kinds of things and then played back in a linear format that someone could learn from. And that currently resides on igniteCAST.com and there’s a piece of software called Scate Ignite which is kind of the authoring tool, which we still sell to a lot of large corporations and they still love it. So it’s just weird how, you know, necessity truly is the mother of inventions, so.
And Ignitecast is actually a learning management system that houses all of those Ignitables so it’s like a library for other digital training, right? And you build your own e-commerce by authoring tool the actual software that people are going to learn from and then a place to store all these stuff, which is, you know, very Steve Jobs of you. Maybe it’s a Steve thing, I don’t know.
I don’t know about that. I want to compare myself with Steve Jobs.
So yeah, that’s really, really cool. And then you realize through the 2008 about the marketing challenges and the cost that you spend on Google, right, which kind of led to your next, well there’s a couple of creations in between but we’ll skip those. Your next creation that you’re still actually working on and continuing to grow and was kind of the main crux of the story of the book, right?
Oh you’re talking about Buzcast?
Buzcast, yes. Spelled Buzzcast.
Yeah, I mean, we originally created it because we wanted to be able to do marketing for our e-learning products. And it was becoming very expensive just to go down the traditional passive pay-per-click or, you know, traditional marketing methods or tv spots or whatever, which really, when we tried them they weren’t working well anyways. We’re just dumping about fifteen grand a month into it. So we built a little system that kind of, you know, work with Twitter and a bunch of other social sites. Matter of fact we even built one of the first social media sites that used to use. We called it ScreenTwit which just took a basic picture and a basic image and sent it off to Twitterland. It was kind of our little sandbox to play with technology and learn all the different APIs at the time that the social media companies were building and allowing people to be able to tie into. So, yeah, it’s been an interesting, I got to say fifteen years because, you know, everyday, there’s something else that pops up. Like the other day I was playing with Periscope and I’m like woah, this is cool.
That is my question for you! I saw you love pairs, are you
I wouldn’t say I’d love it but
And wanted to see what your opinion was.
It is very very interesting, I mean it’s very similar to kind of what we’re doing right now but I mean it you’re really turning everyone into broadcaster. But I actually have another company that’s a, kind of related to a friend of mine, they own Vyclone. I don’t know I’m sure if you’ve looked at Vyclone but that allow two cameras or three cameras or four cameras simultaneously to take video of the same thing and stitch it together. So think about movie industry, that’s huge. So they’ve got to step up really on Periscope. The only thing is Periscope would be behind them in a lot of money. So,
Yeah. And then the other thing is they do their videos like so that whole thing is kind of odd, too.
Yeah, yeah it’s strange.
And you know on Periscope, I don’t get that. But what do you think about the difference between Meerkat and Periscope? We’ve had this whole with Meerkat, too?
I haven’t played with Meerkat. I’ve only played with Vyclone and the Periscope thing. And the only reason I did Periscope is because Twitter owns it and we do a lot of stuff with Twitter, so that’s why I wanted give it a try. And as I said I do think it’s cool. I’m bored, I’m bored of it already. So but I do tried.
To be honest I get so many alerts and I’m only following anybody and constantly my phone’s going off and I barely even use it. I mean, so imagine if you’re following somebody that was doing ten a day, you know, coz it’s every time they hop on it’ll…
And I’m sure I was driving people, I must have been driving people crazy when I first started using it because I think I posted like 10 or 15 things on a one day. So, but it is, it’s interesting.
Yeah, yeah. I can see it for a certain, you know, I’m sure people will come up with some great marketing tactics and great ways to market. Terry are you there?
I am, I feel like I am.
You’re not moving. Oh okay.
Does this help?
Yeah, there you go. So yeah, I think it could be a great, I know one of them, I think it’s Meerkat. I get confused now. I can see musicians, bands, you know certain things could really be…
Yeah, I mean entertainment, social media obviously works better for entertainment and it does a lot other things. So
Yeah
Coz people just, they’ll just consume that content all day long. So and obviously that, we were talking about Buzcast before I kind of got sidetracked here but I mean that’s
Yeah
Really the space that I’ve been playing and of the last close to four years now. I mad a leap of faith and started hanging out in Hollywood and LA about four years ago. I got very good friends with Ahmet Zappa who’s Frank Zappa’s son, and he’s just an awesome person. And he’s been able to really open up a lot of doors for us, not just for a business perspective but a friendship perspective. Creativity, as far as some of the applications that we’re building. So going back to the original point about, you know, techies and creatives, Ahmet is certainly creative. I mean, he has so many wild ideas and sometimes I’m like, “what did you say?” It just blows me away. At first it’s like it doesn’t makes sense. And then I think about it and I’m like wow it does make a lot of sense. So you got to blend that between creativity and analytics and it’s hard to do. It’s very difficult to do specially as a business because you could really be super creative but it doesn’t mean you’re going to make any money. And at the end of the day, I mean, that’s what you’re trying to do. You’re trying to make money, so.
That is a great tip right there. I think that’s exactly, you must have to be creative in the world today, but
Absolutely.
Creativity doesn’t necessarily make you the money. So you need to have that analytical side. I deal with that a lot with social media.
Yeah.
You know when I manage accounts, that kind of thing. Where’s the ROI, where’s the analytics, you know, all that kind of stuff. But, yeah, if you’re not creative in social, you go nowhere. There’s different points to it.
People don’t pay attention to you, you got to stand up. So constantly creating and being original and having ideas whether they’re provocative or bold or loud or funny or informative or whatever is what it takes. Otherwise you’re just another guy posting another picture of a cat eating a baloney sandwich. It’s like, I don’t know, it doesn’t matter anymore.
Well the cats works.
You know what, we have a channel that has a bunch of cats in it and it probably gets more traffic than anything else. So I would say cats definitely second plus my wife would agree coz she got a bunch of them.
I can bring my cat in. My cat walks across sometimes. Good. So we are on a time constraint. You have a lot of background that’s amazing. I want to get a little more into what your books are, exactly what they’re about and just kind of talk a little more deep about those products and maybe how our audience could use those products potentially, too.
Well the books, as I’ve said the first book is kind of a self-help book. And that’s called Exposure to Closure and it’s available on Amazon. The second book is completely different. And the reason I wrote is because I really had nothing to do on the plane trips back and forth between Detroit and LA. And I had this idea about this device that you could place on your head because I’m probably one of the worst typers in the world, not to mention I can’t spell that well either. But I’m good at math.
Okay.
I got my daughter here sitting with me, she’s to the right and she’d be laughing at me because she copy edits a lot of stuff that I do.
That’s funny you said coz that’s exactly my son. Scores on math up here but the reading is way down here. So
It’s more the fact that I just don’t care about it than it is the fact that I can’t do it. But that’s really apply to anything in life. However, as I said I had all these time on the plane so I started writing and I had this idea about this device you put on your head, I’ll hold it up here so you can actually see it right. And in the book, this is what it sits. It’s made out of titanium composite. And what it does is it looks at your brain waves and actually converts them into text. So if I’m thinking about something I just think it and immediately it shows up on my smartphone. And the reason it knows it is because you actually taught it. So say I went out to the Apple Store today and I bought one of these Mindsets, right, coz that’s what it’s called, the Mindset. And I was given a script. So I start typing those texts on the script, right, a bunch of words. And it’s looking at your brain waves while you’re typing those words. So it’s matching the brain waves to the words that you’re typing at that time. So the next time you think about brain wave, guess what, the text appears on the screen. This is doable.
Really?
Yes. The problem is
Actually that’s kind of scary.
Yeah. And I thought, you know, be cool to make one but I don’t have a $150M behind me to try and do this because you’ve got neuroscientists, you got all kinds of people that are involved. So the book is about a guy named Jack Cooper who is a neuroscientist from and he decides to build this thing. And he gets backed by this venture capital firm out of Pittsburgh. And they decide that, you know, without him knowing that they can actually put thoughts into people’s heads instead of just reading people’s thoughts. And one of the guys, one of the venture capital guys decides that if I can do that, maybe I can convince people to vote for me for president. And that’s what he does, and that’s what the whole book is about.
Cool.
This is the first of three and it continues on from this. There’s a little back story to this because the person, the main hero in the book, his name is Jack Cooper and Jack Cooper was my great uncle that played in the FA Cup in 1912 for Barnsley and they won the FA Cup in England. That’s like winning the Stanley Cup in soccer in England. And anyway, he was the MVP so I actually have his gold medal from that game. And for some reason I thought you’re going to resurrect Jack and he’s going to become the hero of the book, so and he is. So that’s
That sounds like a really neat concept. It sounds like a movie to me, too. So maybe you’re going to end up, you know, turn that into a movie, also.
I’m trying to. I gave it to a bunch of producers but they have to see a return. We’re talking about creatives again, right. You’ve got creatives there, and you got movie producers, they go the money. So, you know, they’re looking at the same, well can we make money out of this and I’m sure, you know, if they can make money on it then it’ll get turned to a movie someday, we’ll see.
Sure.
Exactly I’m sure that’s a, you know, it happens. Coz that’s a really cool concept. Neat, so those are two completely different books.
Yeah and actually like it’s funny because I never thought I’d, you know, not really caring much about English, you know, even though I was born in England. It’s been a real release for me to be able to write these because, you know, obviously trying to keep technology up to date and competitive all the time is very difficult to do. And things break, they got bugs in them and anyone who’s in technology is going to to feel my pain coz they know, you know, it’s like oh I just produced that and someone else comes out with something else new and you constantly piggybacking on that. And it kind of guess, to be a pain after awhile. But with some, when you write in science fiction, it’s like you don’t have to worry about fixing anything anymore. You know, it’s as soon as it written you said it works, guess what, it works. And that’s the kind of a nice release about writing. So I think as I retire I think that’s probably what I’ll continue to do.
You don’t have to do any bug testing when the first draft is done, right?
That’s right.
Few ways a lot easier.
Yes, as long as I have a few, probably three or four copy, I don’t know I can send it through. Make sure all the spelling is correct. The story seems to flow so.
Neat, neat. And that makes a lot of sense. I’ve said that so many times. I think I chose the hardest path of business possible because it’s so fast and changing that, you know, it’s not like I work with a lot of orthodontist offices and they, I say, you know, the braces-fixing-teeth doesn’t change that much over time.
Yeah.
But ours changes daily, the technology world and the competitiveness and all that kind of stuff. So I totally understand what you’re saying. Let’s talk about those products that you have – the software products. And now our audience tends to be the entrepreneur, middle-size business so I don’t know if those focus on that or not but if they do..
Great, I mean, if you got a small business that’s looking to create training for themselves, I mean, that’s Scate Ignite is probably one of the most simple applications there is for creating, you know, a simple e-learning presentation and be distributed through the web. And we have thousands of customers that use that on ignitecast.com itself. And also on, if you go scateignite.com which is skate with a C, S-C-A-T-E ignite.com, you can actually download either the standard or professional version. And you could play with it for, you know, a good 15 days and see how it works. It’s very, very easy to bring in PowerPoints, to bring in video, stitch it all together and re-publish it out with a quiz so you can actually do corporate testing. And it’s use by Takata, it’s used by Chrysler, Blue Cross, Blue Shield. I mean we’ve got customers all over the world that use that application. And currently we have someone that’s going to be purchasing, I can’t tell you who it is today, but the company that’s buying it is, I’m, we’re going, I’m going to try and see if they’ll let us do a press release because it’s huge.
Nice, congrats! That’s awesome. Cool, well let’s, now are you, where you most connected? We talked about, oh, go ahead.
Janet share a love of video marketing and importance of it and how it impacts SEO and how it can really get the message across, talk about the tool that you have there.
Buzcast is a different tool. And it’s kind of a, we kind of call it a Pandora meets video type approach. And I would say it’s completely done now. It’s more of a testing environment. It does got a lot of people that will log in and actually view videos. But what the concept behind it is to actually try and take content and channelize it. So if I’m a broadcaster I can put my content together, channelize it out so people can watch it. But if they want on the other side, mix that content, kind of like Pandora does with music then it enables them to, you know, basically mix that together. Now it obviously works better with videos that’s entertaining and I’m trying to, you know, with the next generation that comes out off of Buzcast, it’s probably going to have a new name and a new app and everything that goes with it. But I mean the go goal there is to try and give, you know, people more options as this whole OTT space grows. And if you know what OTT is, it’s the over-the-top TV sys like Apple TV is over the top. Roku, Samsung, all these apps that are going to be coming out where becomes their own broadcaster or you know. They got the big broadcaster, they’re slowly diminishing and I think they know that. And I think Comcast knows it because they’re trying to, you know, suck up all the bandwidth now and control the bandwidth because that is really, the internet is the next generation broadcast. No longer the airwaves, you know, no longer the cables.
No, no. Neither of my kids watch tv.
Yeah.
They don’t like tv
I’m almost to the point now that I’ll, I’ve got a blend of things that I watch on a regular basis. And unless it’s sports or news, I am watching television, that’s for sure. I’m not, you know, probably sitting there watching the old re-runs of Magnum PI.
Yeah, by the time this episode airs we’ll, I think we’ll cut cables at our house. We’re going to have this to keep our internet connection.
Yeah.
So we all, my daughter, my wife and I have all said I don’t see why we keep it. We’ll go get antenna in time for football season. And that’s, you know, football Americano, Steve. Not football like you think where a bunch of guys running around keeping a white ball.
Yeah, you mean like football where they don’t use their feet. Yeah I understand what you’re saying.
Yeah, right, right. Exactly. I don’t know instead of a dumb game. Just because or something, I don’t know.
Those new HD antennas that you can put on your house, they’re amazing. So and you get your local stations for free, so I don’t know.
See that’s the thing, I mean I agree, I’m with you. It’s my husband, he’s the only one, he’s the only one in the house that really cares but, you know, eventually overtime I think a lot of people will, you know, move forward and change and get to know all those new features. And like we said, you know, YouTube is a big, sounds like Buzcast is, you know, has that piece kind of similar to YouTube but a little bit different.
It ties into YouTube, as a matter of fact
Okay
Buzcast can distribute video content that’s attached on any hosting site. So it goes to YouTube API and it can schedule the, just like the show scheduled. It can schedule the release of videos at a certain time frame.
Oh.
So instead of uploading all of your videos to YouTube and like everything’s available immediately, this slowly broadcast it out or releases it into your own channel at a frequency of time like every half an hour see at a hundred videos you want to release each one every half an hour, you can do that. So it gives an experience back on the other side more like television. And as I said it’s the technology still isn’t completely there but it’s getting there and we’re working on it everyday.
Great, that’s really cool. Yeah.
We may want look at uploading all the past episodes into the system and actually kind of have a Hollywood system. We can have Kimmy back, like hey man, I miss Kimmy.
Oh and we do, on my other one, I have, I run a channel for my son. And he, we do two to three videos a week. But I have to, I put him in and then I unlisted and when I’m ready I manually have to launch each one. So that makes, that’s cool.
Yeah, this releases it for you on a schedule which is kind of neat. And it’ll also it will release into Twitter for you, as well.
Nice, nice. Okay. So you’ve consistency. That’s something we’ve talked about on the show that if you’re consistent in your material, you have a set day, what if you’re busy the day that you should be launching your show or would launch that video! You might
Right.
be packed busy and you don’t get it done. And then you’re loosing that consistency again.
Yeah.
Nice, nice.
There’s a time and place for automation. I mean, you can take automation to the nth degree and then it becomes spam. But there’s, are also places where automation works fine and that’s from the consistency perspective. I mean you don’t use automation to send the same message in the same video over and over and over and over again, which I’ve seen people do. But if you got the content and you’re making the content then, you know, you definitely should be releasing a new piece of video, maybe, you know, five, six times throughout that week because you’re going to get different audiences that come on social media and different parts of time. So you don’t release it again, you know, we all know that social search engines are chronological. Whoever said it last is the expert. It’s not like Google whoever is the best in search engine optimization goes first, it’s whoever said it last is the expert. So that’s the, that’s the key to consistency, you know on Twitter and Facebook. It’s just making sure that you’re releasing new content in front of people at different time frames and those consistency behind it and good content.
Saying it frequently seems to help, too, coz that’s certainly more likely to say less.
Absolutely, yeah. I forget if you Wikipedia effective frequency they say that for someone to take action someone’s got to see a piece of content or a brand at least 20 times. So how do you get, I equate it really to coaching soccer because when I’m coaching the girls and the boys, it’s all about touches. How do I get the most amount of touches for the players for them, their skill level to get up? And it’s very similar in marketing. How do you get that many touches before someone actually knows exactly what you’re trying to tell them and remembers it. And that’s the difficult part of marketing.
That’s a great segue, that’s a great segue about the amount of touches. Talk to us about that yellow banana hammock.
No thank you.
Ooohhhh, I forgot. That’s what we got an end to it coz I got to go now.
Well in 1988 I was doing a lot of training with my wife body-building. And I decided not
Now I’m not sure where this is going.
So I decided that I want to compete at least once. So I went into this contest and I don’t know how Terry knows it’s yellow because the pictures are all black and white. So someone must have told him that the little you know, thing, bikini that you wear right was yellow because you can’t tell. That’s where he’s getting it from, he’s getting it from the actual pictures that were taken during that contest so.
Got it!
Which by the way we will definitely share in this blog post, I think that’ll be good. You’re cool man.
Oh wonderful, that’s great, thank you very much.
You look good. I wouldn’t bring it up if you look bad.
That’s great. Well you know we all have a past.
Yeah, yeah we do, that’s for sure. Yep.
Now tell us where people can connect with you and whereabouts to find you Steve?
Well my website is Stephen and that’s Stephen spelled S-T-E-P-H-E-N Sadler with one D, S-A-D-L-E-R dot M-E, that’s my main website. I also, my Twitter handle is @stevesadler. On LinkedIn I’m in/stephensadler.
Okay.
In Facebook I think I’m stephen.steve.sadler. So I have both those names and there for the keywords. So you can connect up with me on any of those particular social media locations. And I also have a website for my book, too, which is mindsetnovel.com. That’s where my latest science fiction book is.
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The trilogy is. So
Perfect. Well great, well hook it all up on our blog post, all these links and have people connect with you. Appreciate your time Steve. Any last words Terry that you have for Steve here? I know you guys are buddy already so.
Yeah, we know each other a little bit. Steve’s a good guy, always willing to help. He’s got some good tips and good ideas and honestly I like this. We should do more of this podcasts when I’m doing eighty miles an hour. This might be the fastest podcast we’ve done, I like it.
Well cool Steve, thank you so much for taking the time to be with us.
Yeah thank you Janet, ba-bye.